Mormonism 101

December 9, 2007

I was just doing a little browsing of blogs and I saw some about Mitt Romney that really bothered me. So I thought I’d vent a little before going to bed.

I didn’t think I’d ever really use this blog to discuss religion but here goes. I am a Mormon.

Now I’m going to try and clear up some misunderstandings:

1-Mormons are not Christian- The full name of my church is “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints”. If we weren’t Christian why would we put the name of Christ in our church? Our faith is centered on Christ. The misunderstanding comes because unlike most Christian faiths we believe that God, Christ and the Holy Ghost are seperate beings. But we do believe in all three of them.

2-Mormons have their own bible- We use the King James version of the bible. In addition to that we have what is called the Book of Mormon (which is why we are called Mormons). The Book of Mormon begins in Jerusalem where a man named Lehi and his family were commanded to leave. They built boats and sail to the Americas. When Christ was resurrected he visited his disciples, but after that he came to the Americas.   John 10:16 says “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”

It makes sense to me that Christ visited the people on the other side of the world. He loved them too. But like I said, the Book of Mormon is IN ADDITION to the bible.

3-Mormons worship some guy named Joseph Smith- When Joseph Smith was a 14 year old boy he read the words in James 1:5 which read “if any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God…” Joseph went out to a clearing in front of his house and prayed to know which church was the true church. He then saw a pillar of light and two figure standing before him. They introduced themselves as God the father and the son Jesus Christ. They told him that none of the churches were true. A few years later Joseph was lead to find the plates which the Book of Mormon was written upon and he was given the power to translate the book.

We believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet. We believe that God has given us prophets to continue to recieve revelations today. The current prophet, Gordon B. Hinkley, tells us what we need to do to prepare ourselves and to better ourselves. We don’t worship them, but see them as inspired men who talk to God.

4-Mormons have lots of wives- Polygamy was practiced by the church for 50 years, but it stopped in 1890. A lot of people argue about the reasonings behind this, but I’ll tell you that I believe that at the time polygamy was necessary. The members of the church had been chased from their homes in Illinois and Missouri. They walked across the country, many of them dying along the way. The pioneers made it to the Salt Lake Valley. At the time there was nothing there. For a young woman if you had a big family or if your parents had died along the way, which many of them did, they needed to be married to have someone provide for them. Men who were able took more than one wife in order to provide food and shelter for the women. This was not a practice that was used to make women slaves, no one was forced into anything.

5-Blacks couldn’t be Mormon until the 1970s- Blacks could be members of the church, black men were not able to recieve the priesthood until 1978.

Ever since biblical times, the Lord has designated through His prophets who could receive the priesthood and other blessings of the gospel. Among the tribes of Israel, for example, only men of the tribe of Levi were given the priesthood and allowed to officiate in certain ordinances. Likewise, during the Savior’s earthly ministry, gospel blessings were restricted to the Jews. Only after a revelation to the Apostle Peter were the gospel and priesthood extended to others. In 1978 the prophet at the time, Spencer W. Kimball, received revelation that all worthy men would be able to receive the priesthood.

6- Mormons have horns- seriously… who started this one? Horns?! ha!

7- Mormons aren’t allowed to dance or sing- so wrong! We can dance and sing and are encouraged to do so and develop our talents. Many people think that our religion is really strict and as a result we can’t do anything, this isn’t true. In 1833 Joseph Smith did recieve revelation that is called the Word of Wisdom. In it the Lord revealed what foods and substances are good and bad for our bodies. As a result of the Word of Wisdom we don’t smoke, drink alcohol, tea, or coffee. We are encouraged to eat grains, fruits and vegetables and to eat meat sparingly. This revelation was given over a century before research revealed the dangers of smoking and alochol.

I hope this was informative to anyone who reads this. If you have any questions I’d be happy to answer them. As for Mitt Romney, I wouldn’t worry about his faith when considering him as a candidate. I don’t currently support his candidacy because I don’t feel he has given a real plan of action for Iraq, his faith is not a concern. If you worry about what Mormon politicians are like look at Senate Majority leader Harry Reid of Nevada, a devout Mormon and Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah who is one of Ted Kennedy’s closest friends.

~~Lucy~~

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  • 1. Ron H  |  December 9, 2007 at 9:58 am

    I have always thought it odd that the Mormons have an additional special book specific to their denomination of Christianity (yes, you said you weren’t “Christians”, but I use the term loosely). While the Catholic church has the additional Apocrypha, the Mormon church is special in that it’s additional text is, well, rather recent. But now I’m off topic.

    I have some additional things I’d like for you to clear up.

    8 – Mormons are a cult (trick question, so don’t take it too seriously).

    9 – The book of Mormon makes numerous references to “Lucifer” (I do mean Lucifer specifically, and not Satan). I ask this out of scholarly curiosity, as I research this particular topic.

    10 – Is there anywhere I could look for the specific details on the account of Joseph Smith and the tablets? It is always a topic I have been curious about. There was a Southpark episode about it once, but I can hardly consider that a reliable source.

  • 2. christianwordartist  |  December 9, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    Lucy, Mitt Romney would make a great president whether or not he is Mormon. The point is that he is a man of faith and realizes the importance of faith in the foundation of our country.

    Your argument that Mormons are Christians based purely on the name of Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints is a fallacy. I explained this on my blog, if anyone needs further explaination.

    There are many conflicting issues within Mormonism. Archaelogy and history have not been able to clear these issues up. Later I will post a detailed outline on the history of the religion. (I’m currently in the middle of a ten page final report for the semester) If I happen to forget, remind me.

    I would also like for Lucy to addess some questions:
    1. Is God progressing?
    2. If I become a Mormon, when I die will I become a god myself?
    3. Show me some passages that teach me about God.
    4. Is there a great conspiracy against LDS?

    As for Ron’s question about the golden tablets – they mysteriously dissapeared.

  • 3. lucy23  |  December 9, 2007 at 8:31 pm

    Ron- thanks for adding the one about the cult, we are definitely not one. As for your questions about Lucifer, we believe in what is called the pre-mortal existance, before we were on earth, we lived together as spirits. There were two plans for earth life one was from Satan or his name Lucifer. He wanted everyone to do the right thing, but have no choice, no agency. Christ’s plan was that we would each of free agency. There was a war in heaven, and 2/3 of the spirits chose Christ’s plan, the third that chose Lucifers plan never recieved bodies.
    check out this article, it explains it more eloquently than I do:

    http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=024644f8f206c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=26035930f289b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1

    As for the specifics on Joseph Smith look around this website, there are links to BYU’s site, they have entire libraries dedicated to church history:

    http://www.lds.org/churchhistory/0,15478,3900-1,00.html#FlashPluginDetected

    Christianwordartist, I used the name of our church as one basic example of how our church is rooted in the Savior. We study his birth, his life, his ministry, his death and his ressurection. We use the bible in doing that. How is the LDS church not Christian? We believe in Christ, every meeting, every lesson is centered on him. We study his parables, we study the miracle of his birth. I don’t understand why you think we are not Christian.

    1. Is God progressing?

    We believe that as man now is, God once was and as God now is man may be. We believe that God was once a man who dwealt on an earth just like Jesus Christ was. As for continually progressing, I’m not sure, I know that he has progressed to be where he is now.

    2. If I become a Mormon, when I die will I become a god myself?

    It’s not quite that simple, simply being a Mormon is not the requirement. There are covenants that must be made, it requires faith and works. But we believe that man can continue to progress and can become like God.

    3. Show me some passages that teach me about God.

    -Deutoronomy 33:27 teaches us that God is eternal.
    -Genesis 1:27 teaches that we were created in the image of God.
    -Acts 7:55 ” But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus estanding on the fright hand of God” this is one of the many verses that teaches us how the Godhead works. The Holy Ghost does not have a body. God and Jesus are seperate, that’s how they are able to stand next to eachother.

    4. Is there a great conspiracy against LDS?

    I don’t know if i would say there is a conspiracy. I do think that we see a lot of negative materials produced against the church. I think it’s interesting that so many people dedicate their lives to writing books and pamphlets and making movies trying to disprove this church, I think it’s a testament of its truthfulness. I think that Satan works very hard to prevent people from hearing the truth, we believe there is opposition in all things. So it’s not so much a conspiracy theory as the belief that Satan wants us to be unhappy.

    I hope those answers were what you were looking for.

  • 4. lucy23  |  December 9, 2007 at 8:35 pm

    And as for MItt Romney, I agree that his faith should not be the deciding factor in his candidacy. My point is that exactly. I am looking at him for more than just his religion. I am not sure how I feel about his foreign policy, but I am a fan of his financial policies.

  • 5. Maroni123  |  December 9, 2007 at 11:39 pm

    If elected as President, which of Romney’s fifteen Mormon wives will serve as ‘first lady’?

  • 6. lucy23  |  December 10, 2007 at 12:10 am

    Haha, funny enough Mitt Romney is one of the few Republican candidates who has only been married once.
    Guliani and McCain have both had multiple wives

  • 7. TiffanyMae  |  December 12, 2007 at 9:30 pm

    Yes the LDS church uses Christ in its name, and yes your meetings and classes are centered around him, but your Jesus Christ is different than the Christ of a Biblically founded Christian church (as in only the Bible, not additional testaments). Mormon doctrine teaches that Lucifer and Jesus were brothers and God chose Jesus as the Savior of our world. Bible believing Christian churches believe that Jesus was the one and only son of God and that Jesus created Satan so therefore they could not be brothers.

    The LDS church believes that as man now is, God once was and as God now is man may be. Bible believing Christian churches do not believe or teach this. We believe that God was always God and that he is never changing, therefore there is not progression. We also believe that when man dies he does not have the chance to become like God, that kind of thinking is what got Lucifer kicked out of Heaven. We believe that we will spend eternity with our God worshiping Him.

    The LDS church also teaches that Mary was impregnated by God himself, not by the act of the Holy Ghost passing over her, which is what we believe. We also believe in the Trinity which you’ve already said the LDS church does not believe in and the Trinity is one of the most important beliefs in the Christian church.

    These are some very important beliefs of Bible believing Christian churches (once again I mean only the Bible not additional testaments) and Mormon doctrine just does not agree with them. You may argue that there are different denominations within Christianity which don’t believe the same. Yes that is true to a point, but the basic foundations of Christian churches from different denominations, such as those I have mentioned are the same, and to be considered a Christian church you must believe in them as well.

  • 8. lucy23  |  December 13, 2007 at 9:23 pm

    Yes my church says that Christ and Lucifer were brothers, but what is left out is that we believe that we are all spirit children of our Heavenly Father. Christ is everyone’s older brother. He and Satan are not literally brothers like my brothers are to eachother. We believe that Christ was the only begotten of the Father too, God is literally the father of Christ. He was not the literal father of Satan because Satan never got a body and he wouldn’t have been in that case.

    Regarding Mary’s conception, you are confused about our doctrine. “He shall be born of Mary, … she being a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God” That is what we believe, just like you.

    As for the Trinity, the Trinity is a belief that many Christian churches hold, but that doesn’t mean that it is necessary for someone to believe in the trinity to be Christian. The concept of the trinity comes from the Council of Nicea, it was something that a bunch of men voted for. I think that revelation comes by other means and not by man voting upon what is and what is not doctrine. I may not be a “Nicean” but I am a Christian.

    The concept of the Trinity is not in the Bible. We believe that the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost are three distinct beings who are one in purpose. But we believe in all three.

    As for progressing to become Gods, ya it’s a difference in theology, we believe we can progress and become Gods. We believe we will continue to grow after this life. How does that make us un Christian? I believe that Christ is a divine being. Our belief that we can continue to progress in no way belittles Christ’s role. Without the atonement we would not be able to repent and return to live with our Heavenly Father.

    To be a Christian church a church must teach of Christ. They must believe in him and that’s what my church does. Yes we believe different doctrinal things, but that makes us “not Catholic” or “not Protestant” Our belief in Christ is what makes us Christian

    Throughout your comment you mention “biblically founded churches” and you define that as a church which does not believe in additional testaments. Joseph Smith was reading in the Bible, in James more specifically, he read “if any of ye lack wisdom, let him ask of God” This was when there were many different churches popping up on the East coast of the US, Joseph wasn’t sure which church to join, so he prayed about it. His answer was that none of them were right. That he was to bring back the true church which had been lost by apostasy.

    Our doctrine is found in the bible. Yes we have the additional testament of Christ. But how does that falsify our belief in the Bible? The principles of the LDS church are founded within the Bible. The Book of Mormon is another testament of Christ. If, as my church believes, Christ came to the Americas and taught the people there and visited them, would that somehow change the Bible? Christ didn’t teach the people in the America’s different things, he taught them the same concepts.

    So for example the principle of baptism: Christ was baptized by John the Baptist. He taught that it was necessary for salvation. In the Book of Mormon when he comes to the Americas he teaches them that same principle of baptism. Christ wanted the people in the Americas to know the truth too.

    The doctrine of my church is found in the Bible, it is also found in the Book of Mormon. And some our doctrine comes from continuing revelation. We believe God continues to talk to a prophet today to give us council.

    I ask you to find something in the Book of Mormon that you do not believe. A principle found in there, a direct quote that is contrary to the teachings in the Bible. I don’t think you’ll find one. The principles you attack from my faith are found in the Bible, they are our interpretations of the Bible. Which is how all Christian churches differ, it comes from the different interpretations of the Bible.

  • 9. Ron H  |  December 18, 2007 at 4:54 am

    Lucy,
    My apologies for taking so long to respond here. School is quite a vexing tax (FINALS!!! And soon, holiday…)

    I’ll put my cards out up front to make this a bit easier.

    I’m an atheist (though I was raised Christian) with a solid literary appreciation with the Bible. Most of what I know about the Book of Mormon is through rumor. Most recently, I have researched the topic of Lucifer, and the essential non-existence of that character as we know it today (Shameless link to my own Blog post .) While I am not a religious individual myself, I do sincerely respect the beliefs of others.

    In the research paper, I submit a foundation of evidence that supports the need for further research concerning the idea that the Lucifer character is unfounded from a Biblical standpoint.

    Here comes the real meat of my question to you…

    How does the possible exclusion of Lucifer as a legitimate and proven character affect the Book of Mormon? As I understand it, the Book of Mormon makes frequent mention of Lucifer. If my research were found to be fact, and Lucifer is indeed a fabrication of the last 1500 years, then the Book of Mormon could have serious integrity problems. As it stands, nothing in the canonical Bible is affected, save for Isaiah 14:12, which is translated properly in most every modern translation.

    Again, this is not an attack on your faith. My research is only that, and not proven fact. I am merely seeking your opinion as a member of the Mormon faith.

    I do intend to research the topic myself after finals (I wouldn’t want you to think I’m woefully lazy, though I am).

    Thank you for your time.

  • 10. Ron H  |  December 18, 2007 at 4:54 am

    Man, I really botched that link.

    http://sanscolour.wordpress.com/2007/11/26/who-made-the-devil/

  • 11. lucy23  |  December 22, 2007 at 7:41 pm

    Sorry for taking so long to reply, I’ve been busy with family at home :)

    Ron, you are mistaken, the Book of Mormon does not make frequent mention of Lucifer. In fact there is only one reference to Satan as Lucifer in the Book of Mormon. It’s just another name for Satan. As for your research, your questions about the Bible are interesting, I’ll have to do some research to give you a better response, but for now here is this link for the LDS Bible Dictionary’s definition of Satan:

    http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bd/d/35

    You’ll notice that the definition recognizes the Hebrew and Greek meanings of the word. I think that while you are right the word Satan does mean other things, that doesn’t mean Satan doesn’t exist. All names have meanings, and the meaning behind the name Satan seems to match his purpose.

  • 12. Ron H  |  December 26, 2007 at 8:32 am

    Lucy,
    I stand corrected. I was wrong by saying that the Book of Mormon mentioned “Lucifer” several times. Indeed, I can only find one instance. Once, however, is enough to raise questions for me.

    The name Lucifer (not *really* just another name for Satan) does not appear in the Hebrew texts of Isaiah, a mistranslation spread by the KJV, and popularized by Milton.

    Some information on this topic with specific regard to Mormon belief can be found here…
    http://www.lds-mormon.com/lucifer.shtml
    To me, this raises credibility issues for the Book of Mormon, and consequently, the doctrines following it.

    Concerning the existence of Satan:
    Duality (good vs evil, light vs dark) was not present in western cultures until influenced by the east (china, india, etc). Not even the Hebrews of the Old Testament taught of a supernatural creature that defies God’s will. Modern Jews have no such belief either.

    Anyhow, I won’t bore you with research any longer. Best of luck in your search for the truth.

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